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>> the sky will fall if you don't deal with the debt ceiling. but i think unfortunately, this is the price that we pay in the fiscal cliff deal. the democrats paid. i said at the time that i thought it was a short term victory for the democrats, but a long term victory for the republicans because we gave away our leverage on tax increases. so, sure, i have no objection to giving away the carried interest on some of the projects and loophole, but the fact is we're not in position to do that and i think we ought to get serious about the deficit and the best way to get serious about the deficit is go right over the cliff. the likelihood of having a real agreement between the white house and the conservative republicans is pretty close to zero. so i think we should take our medicine now. i don't think our sky are fall if we take the sequesters. i think from a democratic view, it's the only way we'll get the kind of defense cuts that we really need to get and we need to take our medicine. >> what i'm hearing is you disagree with the president and you
>> the sky will fall if you don't deal with the debt ceiling. but i think unfortunately, this is the price that we pay in the fiscal cliff deal. the democrats paid. i said at the time that i thought it was a short term victory for the democrats, but a long term victory for the republicans because we gave away our leverage on tax increases. so, sure, i have no objection to giving away the carried interest on some of the projects and loophole, but the fact is we're not in position to do...
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if we have no spending problem, senator, why do we need to extend the debt ceiling? why do we need more money? >> greta, the president is running out of excuses. he can't blame the last administration because he is the last administration. president obama has spent more and created more debt than any president in history. yeast, we have the slowest recovery of any recovery in history. i spent last summer, going around my state, talking to small businesses, dozens of them. so it's very clear to me what's happening now. they were beginning to pull back because of the expected cost of obamacare, the dod-frank legislation, that was a federal takeover of our financial system is making it harder for businesses to get loans. you look at the expected tax increases, which businesses were trying to plan for, the uncertainty really goes back to the president's policies. it is not obstruction. i wish we had had more of it. the policies in place are hurting our economy. and even more than that, the uncertainty from the mounting debt on individual americans is -- is putting us in
if we have no spending problem, senator, why do we need to extend the debt ceiling? why do we need more money? >> greta, the president is running out of excuses. he can't blame the last administration because he is the last administration. president obama has spent more and created more debt than any president in history. yeast, we have the slowest recovery of any recovery in history. i spent last summer, going around my state, talking to small businesses, dozens of them. so it's very...
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that debt ceiling vote the senate has approve it, the house already did so we can borrow morgan to pay our bills through may. congress at that point will have to deal with it again. richard? >> tracie potts in washington. thank you. new yorkers are waking up to the news of the passing of an icon, one of the city's and nation's most outspoken and popular politicians, ed koch has died of congestive heart failure. he served in world war ii and later was elected to three terms as mayor of new york city. ed koch dead at the age of 88. dramatic and contention day of testimony for senator charlie hagel. >> reporter: john mccain seized on hagel's opposition to the surge in iraq. >> the question is, are we right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> reporter: over his 2008 comments related to israel that a quote jewish lobby intimidate a lot of people in congress. >> name one person in your opinion who is intimidated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> well, first -- >> name one. >> i don't know. >> reporte
that debt ceiling vote the senate has approve it, the house already did so we can borrow morgan to pay our bills through may. congress at that point will have to deal with it again. richard? >> tracie potts in washington. thank you. new yorkers are waking up to the news of the passing of an icon, one of the city's and nation's most outspoken and popular politicians, ed koch has died of congestive heart failure. he served in world war ii and later was elected to three terms as mayor of new...
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then they decide not to fight on the debt ceiling and they need to move the attention on to something else. say they do have leverage elsewhere. so they have chosen sequester and put up a very brave face on it. it's possible they could convince themselves to let it actually happen but the idea that they get some sort of significant political gain from it, these are cuts they hated and they hated in large part because they hurt things they care about. so to permit the sequester to go forward on that kind of rationale is not a political win, not a policy win. everybody is losing. >> the "new york times" op-ed says more than a million jobs are on the line if this deal isn't made. a quote saying the losses will soon spread as contracts to states and cities are cut, education and police grants are cut, and payments to medicare providers are cut, even the aid just approved to victims of hurricane sandy will fall under the sequester's act. americans are about to find out what happens when an entire political party demands deficit reduction at all costs because those costs will be enormous. t
then they decide not to fight on the debt ceiling and they need to move the attention on to something else. say they do have leverage elsewhere. so they have chosen sequester and put up a very brave face on it. it's possible they could convince themselves to let it actually happen but the idea that they get some sort of significant political gain from it, these are cuts they hated and they hated in large part because they hurt things they care about. so to permit the sequester to go forward on...
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the republicans said -- >> the debt ceiling. >> -- and wall street came in and said, yes, you are. and now on immigration reform the president is appealing to the people who understand what responsible immigration reform can mean for business and the economy. he's actually not getting democrats to beat the republicans. he's getting republicans to beat the republicans. it's a great strategy. >> what do you make of it, michael, from the other side? jimmy carter was accused of having too many balls in the air when he was president. this time the president wants to throw a lot at the republicans and keep them off guard. >> it reminds me of 2009 all over again. instead of focusing on the paramount issue that every american is still facing, the jobs, the economy -- >> what's the republican job program? >> it's not about the republican job -- >> you just brought it up. what's your party's program? >> you're asking about the president, let me address the president. didn't ask about the republicans. you asked me about the president. i'm telling what you the president is doing. my analysis o
the republicans said -- >> the debt ceiling. >> -- and wall street came in and said, yes, you are. and now on immigration reform the president is appealing to the people who understand what responsible immigration reform can mean for business and the economy. he's actually not getting democrats to beat the republicans. he's getting republicans to beat the republicans. it's a great strategy. >> what do you make of it, michael, from the other side? jimmy carter was accused of...
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we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by the question. in defense of molly's story and washington is getting better. that was not about dysfunction of washington, the two of them just do not like each other. that has nothing to do do with the broader things washington. the issue matrix is changing a bit. what we with saw in 2009 and 2010, when health care and economy were on the table, those are where the parties are fundamentally divided. that is going to be true. but the immigration, there's not the same divide with them. so it's not a polarizing issue with john kerry. part of the reason we are seeing less dysfunctio
we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by...
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ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way you get majorities right now is the democrats pick off republicans and leave the rest of the republicans out in the cold. if i were republican i would not be very happy right now. >> you mentioned the democrats have been through periods like this in the past. then along came bill clinton, for example. he nudged the party toward the center. the democrats started winning some elections. do you think if you take a look at what's going on with republicans from your side of the aisle that maybe something like that is going to be necessary in order for the republican part
ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way...
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host: some are not strategy as far as moving the debt ceiling ahead. guest: if they had gone ahead with it, it would have been politically cataclysmic. it was the worst percival -- worst possible ground to make their point. president obama 1. i think it's absolutely crucial for the future of the country that you cannot govern from the house. some house republicans, i am sympathetic to their concerns. their enthusiasm try to get in the battle is misplaced. you would have had high-stakes confrontation. in the end, you would have had republicans peeling off. but you would have been, at the beginning, bumping your chest, making all of these demands, saying we're not going to back down. at the end they would cave damn it would have gotten the worst of all possible worlds. there's a lot of frustration in the republican caucus that john boehner has to deal with. i think he did a pretty good job. host: peter wehner, senior fellow at the ethics and the policy center. if you want to find out more about his organization and his writing, visit their web site. comi
host: some are not strategy as far as moving the debt ceiling ahead. guest: if they had gone ahead with it, it would have been politically cataclysmic. it was the worst percival -- worst possible ground to make their point. president obama 1. i think it's absolutely crucial for the future of the country that you cannot govern from the house. some house republicans, i am sympathetic to their concerns. their enthusiasm try to get in the battle is misplaced. you would have had high-stakes...
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. >> they approved the house back no, budget no, pay bill with the current debt ceiling of $64 trillion in mid-may when it is estimated to be $50 million more. the house and senate have to pass budget by mid-april or member paychecks will be held. >> the united states could default on the obligation every few months. not an ideal way to run a government. a short-term solution is better than another imminent manufacturered crisis. >> house republicans passed budget in the obama era and created the salary threat so senate democrats who have not do so this year. >> republicans tried to pass amendments that prioritize payments when cash runs first, pay interest first, social security and active duty military pay. and measure offsetting new debt with the matching spending cut. >> no gimmicks or timing shifts but these would be real cuts and growth in federal spending. >> democrats blocked each amendment. the no budget no, pay act sent unauthorred to the president for promiseed signature. >> the motion carries. >> there is no break in the battle. new deadlines loom. unless the two parties agr
. >> they approved the house back no, budget no, pay bill with the current debt ceiling of $64 trillion in mid-may when it is estimated to be $50 million more. the house and senate have to pass budget by mid-april or member paychecks will be held. >> the united states could default on the obligation every few months. not an ideal way to run a government. a short-term solution is better than another imminent manufacturered crisis. >> house republicans passed budget in the obama...
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. >>> crisis averted, the house passed a bill in a suspended the debt ceiling in may. president obama will sign the measure so the government can keep borrowing and paying the bills for a few more months. >>> gas prices rising more than usual this year. trip 8a reported $3.42. and in january, $3.32, second only to last year's january average! >> the party is on hold. and the feds say they're opposed to the marriage of the world's two biggest beer companies. on one side, anhauser busch. and the makers of an still. they have plan to buy popular mexican beers, including the top selling import, corona. but they filed a lawsuit, arguing that merger would give just one firm control of half of the u.s. beer market, and the competition could drive up prices wherever they buy the stuff. aanhauser busch will fight it in court. >>> facebook users can send a gift card to their friends by mail, but you continue use the facebook card to have purchase anything on the website itself. rather, it's meant for other places like target. it's available on the online gift store, which hasn't
. >>> crisis averted, the house passed a bill in a suspended the debt ceiling in may. president obama will sign the measure so the government can keep borrowing and paying the bills for a few more months. >>> gas prices rising more than usual this year. trip 8a reported $3.42. and in january, $3.32, second only to last year's january average! >> the party is on hold. and the feds say they're opposed to the marriage of the world's two biggest beer companies. on one side,...
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if republicans had time to this issue and said, you know, were not going to raise the debt ceiling unless at a certain amount of cuts, they would've caved in the end, would've been disastrous, much like what the fiscal cliff and i think boehner and right together did a very nice job convincing republicans that you can't govern from the house, but sure to be careful about getting into these high-profile, high-stakes, last-minute negotiations with the president. it worked in the white house, i worked in three administrations. they have a tremendous institutional at vantage in this kind of bias. i think what republicans have to do is avoid these sites come at the straps the democrats and president obama are laying, provide an alternative to passing legislation, just to show them this is how we recover if we have the powers of the presidency and the senate and to be careful and frankly the rougher edges republicans sometimes have. >> host: some republicans aren't happy sr is moving ahead. >> guest: i think if they had gone ahead, it would have been cataclysmic for the republican party. i say
if republicans had time to this issue and said, you know, were not going to raise the debt ceiling unless at a certain amount of cuts, they would've caved in the end, would've been disastrous, much like what the fiscal cliff and i think boehner and right together did a very nice job convincing republicans that you can't govern from the house, but sure to be careful about getting into these high-profile, high-stakes, last-minute negotiations with the president. it worked in the white house, i...
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we've had the debt ceiling suspended, another budget baths to go through. so investors, businessmen and even individual investors and consumers are still somewhat haunted by what's happening in the nation's capital. >> and if we could put the markets gain back up, we had seen it go above 14,000 earlier this morning. it's -- >> right there. >> right there, right now. okay. so this hasn't happened since '07. >> early october, the all-time high, 14,164. standard & poor's, 1465. we're within striking distance of both. and that's a good sign. the stock market is performing well. the bond market is performing as expected, if the economy is recovering and so are other markets. and the indicators i look atom as, actually quite positive. none showing signs of strain, the future economic prospects better than the past. so for now markets are tell us things are all right. that may change sometime in the future but looks good at this at the moment. >> and ron made fun of my ravens -- >> absolutely. >> see this? ravens-theme note paper. >> running wild over these guys.
we've had the debt ceiling suspended, another budget baths to go through. so investors, businessmen and even individual investors and consumers are still somewhat haunted by what's happening in the nation's capital. >> and if we could put the markets gain back up, we had seen it go above 14,000 earlier this morning. it's -- >> right there. >> right there, right now. okay. so this hasn't happened since '07. >> early october, the all-time high, 14,164. standard &...
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the senate is obligate as a result of the debt ceiling vote to do wait has not done in the last four years and that is present a budget resolution for four years the senate said we don't care if the law requires us to do it. we'll ignore that. martha: let's hope dave camp's proposal of taking on tax reform is something republicans have been talking about for a long time. chinned with the fact that the senate must act on a budget must get us into tangibles in terms of this discuss in washington. carl, thank you so much. always good to talk to you. gregg: disturbing information about iran's nuclear program. martha: this is one of the most interesting moments of the game. the light went out. i thought this was a blowout game and the next thing you know -- a firsthand account from what it was like at the stadium from a familiar football fan. hey, it's me, progressive insurance. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. [sigh] it feels good to help p
the senate is obligate as a result of the debt ceiling vote to do wait has not done in the last four years and that is present a budget resolution for four years the senate said we don't care if the law requires us to do it. we'll ignore that. martha: let's hope dave camp's proposal of taking on tax reform is something republicans have been talking about for a long time. chinned with the fact that the senate must act on a budget must get us into tangibles in terms of this discuss in washington....
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it is my hope that the debate over the debt ceiling will finally move our friends on the other side beyond their preoccupation with the horse race. already, senate democrats have committed to developing a budget this year after years of ducking their responsibilities to do so. hopefully this will be a serious exercise and not simply an excuse for them to try to raise taxes, which as we all know is just another way to avoid solving core problems. last week i came to the floor with a chart that showed that even if the president got every single tax increase he asked for, every one of them, we would still not evening come close to solving the problem. not even close. so let's not waste time with more pointless argument argument tax increases. we had that debate already. it's done, it's oamplet i call on democrats to approach it seriously and do it with order. we have to break this putting off all important work until the final hour. tweendz get back to regular order and that takes time. & that's why we need to get started right now. let the tough work of developing a budget and putting togeth
it is my hope that the debate over the debt ceiling will finally move our friends on the other side beyond their preoccupation with the horse race. already, senate democrats have committed to developing a budget this year after years of ducking their responsibilities to do so. hopefully this will be a serious exercise and not simply an excuse for them to try to raise taxes, which as we all know is just another way to avoid solving core problems. last week i came to the floor with a chart that...
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in terms of the debt ceiling deal, the fiscal cliff, the bipartisan senators who came together on immigration, which, aga again, that's kind of a rope thing in washington, d.c., but it's been absent for the last couple of years. when george w. bush was elected, no child left wind was a top domestic priority and you had a kind of gang of eight style thing. >> no child left behind just didn't happen. bush reached out to ted kennedy, and you worked the issue and -- >> sure. they worked on the recovery act. they want today recovery. >> they didn't work on the -- >> yes, they did. >> it was one of those ludicrous republican myths that obama didn't reach across the aisle. and ma myth is so foundational to a lot of republican thinking and i'm guessing to you and i it seems so divorced from reality that it's hard to even engage with, right, the idea that obama didn't attempt to genuinely attempt a bipartisan governing style. >> you can call it a myth. i think the proof is in the pudding. i think that this -- >> so you blame obama for the fact that there's this -- >> listen, i'm in politics. i think m
in terms of the debt ceiling deal, the fiscal cliff, the bipartisan senators who came together on immigration, which, aga again, that's kind of a rope thing in washington, d.c., but it's been absent for the last couple of years. when george w. bush was elected, no child left wind was a top domestic priority and you had a kind of gang of eight style thing. >> no child left behind just didn't happen. bush reached out to ted kennedy, and you worked the issue and -- >> sure. they worked...
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ceiling thing, looks like they are going to get something done on immigration reform. gun control, we'll see. i think that has a lot to do with us. >> right. and, you know, like -- i know i'm in a basically republican state here in nebraska, and, you know, i go to work i hear all of these things, and of course i voted for obama the first time ever that i voted and all i really got was an immigration law that immigrants are coming to this country and bringing all of these weapons, and i understand there are some bad things happening on the border but you know how many people in california like agriculturally do for this country? you know how many people in texas and these other places picking or food that we eat almost every day. >> stephanie: i would like to apologize for all of the previous stupidity of all of the previous republicans, and give you some pro flowers. would that help? [ laughter ] >> caller: yeah okay. >> stephanie: all right. hold on. if you are looking for flowers this valentine's day go to pro flowers and enter the pass word code stephanie. >> fun wo
ceiling thing, looks like they are going to get something done on immigration reform. gun control, we'll see. i think that has a lot to do with us. >> right. and, you know, like -- i know i'm in a basically republican state here in nebraska, and, you know, i go to work i hear all of these things, and of course i voted for obama the first time ever that i voted and all i really got was an immigration law that immigrants are coming to this country and bringing all of these weapons, and i...
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i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't passed a budget in four years. there is a fundamental inability for congress to do their job. you are supposed to pass a budget by april 15. you are supposed to reconcile all those bills by october. that hasn't happened in four years. instead we've had this crisis atmosphere where things are passed in the middle of the night and nothing gets done. >> we only look at law makers records as they pertain to gun related issues. the numbers in the house and numbers of the senate haven't changed so much from the previous congress but there are faces tha
i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't...
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. >> with the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling and trying to get bipartisan, but over here is something called poverty, 50 million americans and racial disparity and cities collapsing and the like. i'm going to make the case we should build america an urban infrastructural bank for the purpose of long-term loans. we do it in europe and japan. and no other country charges people to repatriate their money once they pay taxes in that country. but we do. but if we, in fact, took a portion of that money, part for research and development and part of it for an institutional bank, you could do what banks are not doing, and that's invest in these downtrodden areas of our country. >> gillian, we've been talking about it for years, trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines not coming back to america. how do we get it back here? >> almost $2 trillion. you've got average household earnings down over the past four years, poverty is up. we need this money working in our economy. how do we get it here? >> absolutely. i think the reverend's idea is very interesting because right now many of the com
. >> with the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling and trying to get bipartisan, but over here is something called poverty, 50 million americans and racial disparity and cities collapsing and the like. i'm going to make the case we should build america an urban infrastructural bank for the purpose of long-term loans. we do it in europe and japan. and no other country charges people to repatriate their money once they pay taxes in that country. but we do. but if we, in fact, took a portion of...
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ceiling, have done absolutely nothing to resolve our long-term fiscal challenges. and given the fact that we have no long-term agreement, consumers are doing exactly what you're saying. they're hungering down because they're scared. martha: i think you have to accept that across the board, both parties do in terms of nothing being accomplished. >> everybody agrees on that. on all sides. there is nooubt about that. martha: we've got it all figured it out. we'll let them work on it down there in washington. thanks very much, guys. great to have you all here. bill: problem solved, right? martha: yep. bill: got breaking news, martha. getting some aerial pictures from calhoun, georgia. this is hour, hour 15 minutes north of atlanta, georgia. after the storms ripped through the area yesterday and overnight last night. some reports have six dead as a result of this huge storm that went through. some of the images earlier showed some of these foundations just completely rocked to the ground. that is the aftermath you're seeing, what appear to be clearly tornados at least i
ceiling, have done absolutely nothing to resolve our long-term fiscal challenges. and given the fact that we have no long-term agreement, consumers are doing exactly what you're saying. they're hungering down because they're scared. martha: i think you have to accept that across the board, both parties do in terms of nothing being accomplished. >> everybody agrees on that. on all sides. there is nooubt about that. martha: we've got it all figured it out. we'll let them work on it down...
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ceiling issue so that they can breathe a little bit and try and move away from just these fiscal sues. now on the horizon there are lots of house republicans, particularly younger ones, who say let's cut the defense budget, let those automatic spending cuts take place, and there are lots of senior republicans who say, not so fast. so that's going to be a problem within the republican party as we look ahead. >> where does karl rove and his new super pac fit into that? >> did you ever think republicans would call him a rhino, republican in name only. here you go. i've always thought of karl rove as a conservative. what's going on is his pac has said, you know what, we are tired of someone associated with his pac said to me, quote, the novelty of losing elections has worn off, and what they've decided to do is to start putting their money in primaries. they want to vet republican primary candidates so that by the time they get to the general election they believe they have qualified vetted candidates who can actually win. conservatives are saying, this is not what you should do. you need
ceiling issue so that they can breathe a little bit and try and move away from just these fiscal sues. now on the horizon there are lots of house republicans, particularly younger ones, who say let's cut the defense budget, let those automatic spending cuts take place, and there are lots of senior republicans who say, not so fast. so that's going to be a problem within the republican party as we look ahead. >> where does karl rove and his new super pac fit into that? >> did you ever...
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ceiling bill that's now come over to the senate, it looks like the senate according to senator murray will now take up a budget. this is important because while republicans believe that spending is the problem not a lack of taxation, it's going to be a revealing exercise to see how this budget markup goes in committee and then, of course, on the floor. and it will be, i'm sure, a challenge for those who believe that more revenue is a solution as opposed to reining in spending to see how senate democrats produce 51 votes to pass a budget by the april 15th deadline. >> senate republicans just released a video that highlights the president's past statements when it comes to tackling the debt and his actual record when it comes to tackling the debt. and when out comes to reducing the debt as we would say out in the west, the president has been all hat and no cowboy. in other words, he's been all talk and no action. what we've seen over the past four years as trillion dollar deficits every single year, the debt has ballooned by 50%, and so the president's record and his rhetoric just don't
ceiling bill that's now come over to the senate, it looks like the senate according to senator murray will now take up a budget. this is important because while republicans believe that spending is the problem not a lack of taxation, it's going to be a revealing exercise to see how this budget markup goes in committee and then, of course, on the floor. and it will be, i'm sure, a challenge for those who believe that more revenue is a solution as opposed to reining in spending to see how senate...